Comments on: Why PHP Programmers are Leaving

By: pcdinh

pcdinh — Tue, 10 Oct 2006 18:55:01 +0000

I still do not understand why people mention so much about Ruby/and Rails. I only think that RoR is a simple solution to a class of simple issues. PHP is far more powerful to Ruby in term of web platform support. The only thing it lack is a/some mature and elegant framework(s) like RoR. But with Solar framework and Zend Framework, I believe that it is about to come.

Ruby on Rails is not a revolution. It is a evolution. PHP5/6 is a evolution too.

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Ngoprek Web» Blog Archive » My Perfect PHP Framework — Tue, 10 Oct 2006 16:22:55 +0000

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By: Regnard Kreisler Raquedan

Regnard Kreisler Raquedan — Tue, 10 Oct 2006 03:27:58 +0000

Yes, I agree with your point about the lack of use of frameworks in PHP in bad applications.

By: Kai MacTane

Kai MacTane — Mon, 09 Oct 2006 21:20:52 +0000

@Eristemena: Except that RoR isn’t zero, it’s labeled as “0.26″.

And there’s no explanation of what the heck that y-axis is measuring. “Likelihood” sounds like a probability, but probability runs from 0 to 1, while this graph has things running up to 3.45.

So what the heck are the units here? Without knowing that, the entire graph is meaningless.

By: eristemena

eristemena — Mon, 09 Oct 2006 19:07:25 +0000

Thanks Ilia. I still love PHP as much as before. I just want to make a warm alarms to what i called as undisciplined programmer. Then again, perhaps i’m one of them.

Thanks for came by, gee i never thought i’d drag the master here

By: Ilia Alshanetskyt

Ilia Alshanetskyt — Mon, 09 Oct 2006 17:56:39 +0000

I posted PHP specific searches simply because I felt it would be most relevant to the PHP audience. To think that PHP is the only web scripting language that makes it easy to have security holes is silly. I can easily craft you queries to find similar issues in Perl, Python,Java and yes, even Ruby applications where the code is public. A quick search on Google will show you plenty of people doing exactly that and posting it to their own blogs.

For people concerned about security on Ruby on rails, I’d strongly recommend reading the following thread: http://www.ruby-forum.com/topic/76671#120390 or try this URL: http://www.ruby-forum.com/search?query=“>////\
Furthermore, the stats are based on a closed survey that costs $800 minimum to see, of 5,000 developers where the data is not publicly available. Given millions of programmers out there you could easily survey a targeted audience that will allows you to draw all manner of fun conclusions, such as that ASP.NET is the choice if 99% of the developers out there.

By: eristemena

eristemena — Mon, 09 Oct 2006 16:33:56 +0000

RoR is there for comparison sake. See how it down to zero.

By: eristemena

eristemena — Mon, 09 Oct 2006 16:27:21 +0000

Yes i agree, that’s why i don’t quite believe it. But at least that made us to think PHP differently.

By: Julio Nobrega

Julio Nobrega — Mon, 09 Oct 2006 16:26:09 +0000

What’s a RoR column doing there?

By: Isaac Gouy

Isaac Gouy — Mon, 09 Oct 2006 16:25:28 +0000

the numbers merely show
There isnt enough information on the chart to understand what the numbers show!

We dont even know if they have been normalized for the breakdown between Perl/Python/PHP/etc programmers in the survey sample – maybe there were just a lot more PHP programmers.